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strider
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« on: August 18, 2004, 03:21:39 PM »

After playing with .9.8 a bit and hearing back from some users, it seems I'm in the same bind, I originally intended to draft a whole new series of stories for .9.8 - and now it seems that everyone wants it to remain .9.7


Tis something I suppose I'll have to decide.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2004, 03:22:50 PM »

I ran a poll... and we had a discussion on it.... my users almost unanimously want to stay with what we have.....  
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2004, 03:23:25 PM »

I still run 097 and will continue for time to come!! I'll wait for the final release - no time whatsoever on my hands anymore, therefore I'll be running 097 - You did get my add-on for the Gem shop? the one that limits the amount of gems available? the one that does not allow players to flood the shop with hundreds of gems.  Strider . . email me when a chance permits.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2004, 03:25:01 PM »

You know what, this is such a pressing conversation, I'm going to split it off into its own. . .
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2004, 03:27:14 PM »

Okay. . . it seems my players felt the same way, Legendgard is already so modded in one direction, it's tough to abandon it, even though .98 is much better and solves quite a few issues. . . I think it's a slow migration on my side as well...

That being said, effort placed in the .97 mods isn't lost is it?

And Robert, go ahead and email me, now that the show is over, I'm free for August before I'm drenched in work again.

-Strider
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2004, 03:32:56 PM »

even though .98 is much better and solves quite a few issues. . . I think it's a slow migration on my side as well...

Quite honestly many of the small problems have been dealt with here.... and I really have very few problems with the game itself.....  Things are actually working quite well..... The one thing I still need to do is encrypt the passwords...... (the fix is here at dragonprime)  Otherwise most everything is fixed up rather well... even the e_rand...

Anyway... I love my 0.9.7.  I know the code and how to make things happen without having to spend hours trying to figure out how things work....  And I just don't have the time to convert everything to 0.9.8, at least not at this time.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2004, 03:46:56 PM »

And I just don't have the time to convert everything to 0.9.8, at least not at this time.
I have the same feelings Lonny, it will be a long term work switch to 0.9.8 for me too.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2004, 04:16:31 PM »

Tis sounding like a familiar tone here. . . So, from here, since time is obviously not upon our sides. . . any thoughts on a good upgrade path. Are we all going to run 2 games now, and slowly deepen the story to our .98 versions?

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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2004, 04:19:15 PM »

I don't think I'll be doing any further developing for .97.  After a somewhat slow start, I'll soon have my first mod converted, and I'd much rather not have to worry about patching core files.  

.98 has quite a few features out of the box that require modding in .97, and when future versions roll out the time spent now will make upgrades much easier.  

Just my 2 bits worth.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2004, 04:33:28 PM »

personally, I've ceased work on 9.7 and I'm working on converting the more key elements of my server to 9.8.

once these key mods are upgraded, I'm going to upgrade my live server to 9.8 and continue working on the mods which will be lost, which will for the most part be unimportant shops and such.

But as has been said, it's a long process, and I'm not going to abandon 9.7 until I'm completely happy with my 9.8 development server, and happy that enough of the old stuff has been carried across that not too much of the game is lost compared to what is gained in 9.8.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2004, 04:35:36 PM »

I'm agreed with everything you've said Tal, and that train of thought has pretty much kept me at a stalemate with pushing other mods forward, knowing what is coming.

Now I think the user experience is demising considerably, though if I take 2 more months trying to convert Legendgard into .98 and continue to leave the previous system as is, a riot is assured.

There's a balance that isn't being kept from within, largely because we're all single programmers trying to deliver both experience and story whilst trying to convert over.

If anyone else has thoughts, I'd be glad to hear them.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2004, 05:35:24 PM »

I am waiting till i can find enough mods to make 0.9.8 similiar, although if the city setup is like dragoncat out of the box then i think it will be fair. the man mods im looking forward to are houses, greystone, spellshop i see most of the other specials and that will make there way in soon enough
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2004, 06:13:56 PM »

i had this thread months ago, and i stand in the same boat as you all.  I am too far into the .9.7 world, and the users want to stay that way.  My plan of action so far, is to familiar myself with .9.8 until it is final, then stop development in .9.7, still keeping it active though, and then make everyone start from the ground up in the .9.8 version.  I think everyone will slowly migrate on their own after seeing that there will be no new features.  Once it is final, i also plan on moving over as many mods as i can, to make it as similiar as i can.  but i dont see me moving away from .9.7 for quite sometime.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2004, 11:47:50 PM »

Obviously I'm sorry to hear that some people/users are feeling this way.

Personally (and I know it wasn't meant this way, so please take this next with a grain of salt), I feel that attitude is a bit of a slap in the face.

I and Eric have pretty much forsaken content development for the past year to fix most of the underlying problems with 0.9.7 and make 0.9.8 into a system which required (almost) no effort to continue moving forward with AFTER converting to it from 0.9.7.  Unfortunately it was NOT possible (at all) to preserve backward compatability with 0.9.7 mods since so much underlying code changed.

Basically it feels like you just told me I wasted the last year :/ (yes, I know this is probably an over-reaction on my part, but I figure it doesn't necessarily hurt for you to know how much time and effort has been poured into this newer version).

Honestly for most of you who are competant with PHP and MySQL and who are not caring about multi-language sites, 0.9.8 is pretty close to final.  Yeah, there are tweaks that are still going into it and bug-fixed and cleanup.. but functionality wise, aside from the nice installer it's pretty much 'there'.

There is likely going to be one *fundamental* change to game mechanics which will go into 0.9.8 before it goes final, but believe it or not, I suspect that this is a change that most of you will laud and reach for with open-arms and in fact, I suspect has been implemented in some forms or another on other servers. [no, I am not giving more details now.. I plan on starting coding on it once the translation stuff is done and will discuss it as it becomes more solid]
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2004, 02:10:08 AM »

::bows slightly with great reverence to Kendaer::

In no way do any of us mean these thoughts in a disrespectful light, indeed; if anything it's a conversation I started to get somewhat of a weather gauge as to other's upgrade paths. Each of us have created a realm based on unique stories and that's what we're trying to preserve. The silence and stalemate we've seen is a natural hesitation before the flurry and maelstrom.

I can honestly say with no uncertainty that we all greatly appreciate the work and sacrifice Eric and JT have put into .98 and it is definitely a more sophisticated system that will make our the lives of modders a lot easier. It'll also be a massive amount of work to adopt our stories to the new system, and for that, we'll need to seriously consider our upgrade paths and the options before us. What do we do with our old realms as a new dawn comes. A hasty move is soon regretted and could be avoided with proper planning. In case I haven't been clear, I am going to work on .98; but I probably won't abandon .97 until my .98 system is able to resemble the natural evolution of my realm. With the help of others here on DragonPrime, it will be much easier, but it will not occur overnight.

In patching together all the things that are composed for Legendgard, and imagining how much is created for the other realms surrounding, the task is daunting. It won't be something we can quickly compile and thoughts of instant gratification will be stifled early. Indeed, it may take us three to five months to catch up to the work you and Eric have created over the last year. This is simply being realistic. I think it will be worth the effort and our tools have greatly increased thanks to .98; but please don't feel a discussion of phasing out our old stories and our paths to the new ones is in any way deterring from the ultimate goal of upgrading to .98 .

As always, yours is the example that we shall follow m'dear sires. Equally, yours is the creation that we honor.

En regards to .97 compatibility: You guys made the right choice in changing the structure of the system and I'm sure that we're already seeing the benefits. It just means we'll have to build more structured mods for .98 and as we're rebuilding our old systems, we'll also be improving upon them. That being said, I'm still willing to hear what everyone else plans for their upgrade path in hopes that there are some clever lads who have a solid plan of evolution.

As for me, I propose that we take some of our favorite mods and form a few teams to rebuild them for .98, as it seems a lot of us are looking to a future where more of the past is available.

-Strider
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