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« on: June 05, 2005, 06:32:59 PM »

PHP Designer 2005 vs Dreamweaver MX 2004:
I'm always having trouble deciding what the best editor is, well I have narrowed it down to two, and I still can't decide, which is the most helpful when it comes to coding.  First off MX has everything I need for the design aspect of my sites, it has a Reference Manual built in for all the languages it supports (PHP included), and you can test sites locally.  PHP Designer isn't very good for Design, but for coding it is awesome and has sample code/snippets and references easily available, plus it's FREE and loads way faster than Dreamweaver.

Any comments on PHP Designer 2005 and Dreamweaver MX 2004?  If there are no major benefits to PHP Designer for coding I will stick with Dreamweaver, just because I'm more familiar with it.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2005, 12:42:27 PM »

Well I don't particularly like DreamWeaver, it offer lousy coding and is just plain painful to try and work with, so I prefer  PHP designer . It makes the coding all around easier to work with and it is free!  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2005, 12:57:08 AM »

Why do you say it is lousy? I have a whole book written by British web designers, which outlines all the great features of Dreamweaver MX for using MySQL and PHP, I thought the information in the book was very helpful...
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2005, 01:27:20 AM »

Like so often: It depends!

When writing a program in pure PHP I cannot believe Dreamweaver will assist you that much (as it is basically a design tool).

Wheras if you want to preview HTML-output combined with some PHP elements, Dreamweaver might be the better choice...

For lotgd I prefer a simple text editing tool (TextPad - simply because it was already installed, before I started programming regularly... Wink )

But I think, any PHP Editor is better... Wink
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2005, 08:39:30 PM »

Why do you say it is lousy? I have a whole book written by British web designers, which outlines all the great features of Dreamweaver MX for using MySQL and PHP, I thought the information in the book was very helpful...

I say it is lousy because I spent my graduate career programming in notepad (as xChrisx brings up) and I find any program that allows the user to press buttons and create a website and worthless and plain lazy.  Thus I would prefer to use php designer since it is color coded showing your errors.....So my problem with dreamweaver is just, that it is for lazy people. I am just prejudice do to my schooling....
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2005, 08:43:41 PM »

I enjoy using Notepad++, as it allows me to define my own colors and texts for syntax highlighting. So, I will know if a string is borked, if it is not in Comic Sans MS. Tongue

As well, the collapsing between {} cuts down on parse errors.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2005, 08:46:45 PM »

Oh, I have wondered how Notepad++ was, I didn't know you could define your own colors!


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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2005, 09:32:50 PM »

Once you get it, go to Languages on the top, and then down to Styler Configurator. Then, you can define things for the different languages that it supports.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2005, 04:56:53 AM »

The Editor Scite is good, too...
And you can made Add-Ins with de functions for LoGD, so thaths the Editor they uses as normal functions....

(Its badly Englishm i Know Wink)

But momently, I prefer PHP Designer 2005  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2005, 05:08:05 AM »

I have Dreamweaver, but can't remember the last time I actually used it and I never use it for PHP. The PHP Designer 2005 is pretty good although I try to use Notepad ++ mainly.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2005, 10:27:10 AM »

Why do you say it is lousy? I have a whole book written by British web designers, which outlines all the great features of Dreamweaver MX for using MySQL and PHP, I thought the information in the book was very helpful...
I'd say that the fact that there are at least 1-2 problems reported a week on php dev network that end up being tracked back to Dreamweaver is a key sign for me. It apparently has issues with blank lines at the ends of documents, modifying pasted code, and other unique behaviors.

I downloaded it and tried it out once. I could only stand it for an hour or two.. so I'm not the best person to comment on it.

My experience since then on php dev network made me feel like it was the right choice. Your mileage may vary.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2005, 05:13:09 AM »

I have a Mac now and I love BBEdit, though it's not free.  I still LOVE it though. Great text editor, and Dreamweaver's design mode is virtually useless when coding in PHP Tongue.
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2005, 10:58:01 AM »

i also use a mac. when i started reading and editing code i noticed that the default to open it was dreamweaver, which i found to be useless.

after conferring with strider about which tools he prefers, i downloaded smultron as an editor. i love it. i especially find the color coding it does by default to be extremely useful.  it is free...always a bonus!
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2005, 12:59:04 PM »

its not solid to say a program sucks or is lousy and not back the statement up... yes dreamweaver is a design tool, and offers wysiwyg user interface but thats not to say you cant code with it for it offers the same featurees as the popular coding environements such as phpdesigner2005.  i know, i use both sometimes independently and sometimes collaboratively...

dreaweaver takes a bit to load, but so does phpdesigner if you're comparing it to scintella or something like that...

they both offer code hints, keyboard macros etc.. if you're a coder as compared to a designer then its better to go with phpdesigner imo, but if you do design and coding then use both.  no one says you need to stick to one program and one program only... the only way that can be achieved is for those that code with notepad type apps.  the point of environments is to make workflow more efficient by providing features that help the programmer.

but just cause a person uses an environment does not mean that a person is simply pressing a button to write code.  those features are simply snippits...  

i have had dreamweaver crash when working on graphic/layer intensive sites but never because of code.  if its crashing its usually something in an external css file or something.

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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2005, 02:46:07 PM »

its not solid to say a program sucks or is lousy and not back the statement up...
I'm really unsure who this was directed at. Most of the people complaining about Dreamweaver gave specific reasons the program itself sucks. For me, among other things, its the fact that it saves extra characters to files without notification to the user. Its reported at least once a week on php dev net, it causes new users endless confusion, and there is no excuse for it.

Of course, since you wanted more to "back the statement(s) up", I'll also offer that the layout is non-ideal, its not well suited for php, it produces fairly crappy dhtml snippets (for mouseovers and the like), and the html it produces isn't always html compliant - but when it is, its horribly structured.

I'd say dreamweaver does very little of what I would expect a good editor to do. I'd put frontpage above it - and I don't like Microsoft products much.

To summarize, I've got dozens of reasons, ranging from poor coding and bad design, ranging to user impact problems. Plenty of other people posting have backed their comments up as well, so I don't understand where you got the impression someone was simply flaming Dreamweaver without good reason?

There are plenty of *valid* reasons to flame DW. Smiley
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