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Mammon
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« on: November 30, 2004, 05:14:05 PM »

I've read through the GNU GPL and, seeing as I don't have a legal degree, and am not the most intelegent person in the world, the question that forced me to read such a document was not answered, whether it was covered or not.  My question was ...if someone takes code, claims it as his own, and does not give the original author a lick of credit, not even so much as a mention, and then modifies it to suit his/her needs... Does this constitute a breaking of the GNU GPL, and what action can be taken against said individual.  I'm not worried on my part... I give credit where credit is due, always.  It isn't right for someone to work hard on code to have someone make it theirs by taking credit for it.  Thanks for your time.

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2004, 06:15:11 PM »

someone takes code, claims it as his own, and does not give the original author a lick of credit, not even so much as a mention, and then modifies it to suit his/her needs

Your choice:  It defines theft, plagearism, GNU Violation...
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2004, 06:17:59 AM »

So, as a beggining LoGD coder, where should my moral obligation lie were I to find, say, a head Admin knowingly taking credit for someone else's code?  I know where it should lie, but my feelings towards cirtian people may make me more vindictive than perhaps I should be, so I ask, should I "out" them in the LoGD community, like I'm tempted to do, or take a more discreet approach?
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2004, 11:06:07 AM »

You should really expose them for the liar that they are...

Before you do, you should be entirely sure that they are actually doing this wrong. It could blow up in your face.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2004, 11:29:41 AM »

First, make sure you are correct - you don't want to make false accusations.

Second, take to that 'admin' and call him on it.  Tell him you know so-and-so wrote that mod, and must be given credit for it.

If that doesn't work, you can try contacting the author of the mod and informing him.

The final course of action would be to post it in the Hall of Shame thread in this forum.  If the original author or the 'admin' is a regular here, it will likely be dealt with quite swiftly.  Just remember though, that this forum is not the place to drag someone through the mud just to be vindictive.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2004, 01:04:05 PM »

If the original author or the 'admin' is a regular here, it will likely be dealt with quite swiftly.  Just remember though, that this forum is not the place to drag someone through the mud just to be vindictive.

It was never my intention to post a vindictive mud dragging.  I only wanted to expose a fraud and, although I know no actions can be taken against his server, programmers can take better care not to give him their code in good faith.  He just recently (1 hour ago) posted an MOTD announcing...  well, one of my ideas, and my code from a password protected, invite only server.  Honestly, I have no idea what, if anything, can be done, that's why I'm not forthcoming with a name, or server.  I don't want to give people a bad opinion of him without action being able to be taken. The admin in question is not a part of these forums, that I am aware of.  I will take this to the hall of shame though, if it comes to that.
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2004, 11:42:02 AM »

::clears his throat for a moment::

Excalibur, there's probably some touch of history that you should remember as well . . . We've built Dragonprime to create a community of modders who are rather intimately aware of what's going on with their systems. It remains a core beacon to keep both history and inspiration for the LoTGD universe.

When we originally created DragonPrime, the problem of theft and dishonorable actions of punters had brought the modding community to its knees. It was plagued with immoral hellions who essentially grabbed and ran, then would post other's work to their own credit elsewhere. There honestly wasn't much of a modding COMMUNITY as we know it now. The final straw almost froze the corpse's blood cold when the module areas were understandably shut down on Sourceforge. A little tenacity and social engineering later, we were able to recount the wounds placed upon honest coders and salve some of those running lesions who had no respect for the comminity. Though this still happens, DragonPrime is more than just an exchange forum, it's a public record that helps continue a community which rewards its own for good service and will turn on those who have wronged our brethren.

Vigilance is the price we pay for such a community. When you spot an issue, let some of the senior coders know and invite the suspected coder to the threads. Most issues are solved before they reach the threads, but we do find a few cases that are solved once the matter becomes public.

We must look out for each other was well as run our own realms. I believe you'll find some insight amongst your allies here.
 
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2004, 08:16:00 PM »

Excalibur? Is Mammon Excal? ok.

Anyway... there certainly ARE things you can do if you have no luck with the fool. Things we can do at this end are:

1. block the server from the logdnet listing on central (you'd have to ask JT about this... and whether he would do it)
2. advise the fool that we will be informing his ISP about his copyright and license breaches
3. Send a cease and desist giving the fool 72 hours to remove the offending code. This is a legal document that should scare anyone with half a brain. It's their only hope of escaping potential legal action when this happens.

As the owner of the copyright you can, of course, send them a cease and desist yourself. I'd recommend googling it, because it will help you put official sounding language into your request. In most cases, the cease and desist from you, including the fact that their host will be notified of the license and copyright breaches, plus the fact that you may be forced to seek legal advice, is enough to worry a server admin enough into behaving.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2004, 12:30:47 PM »

Sorry. . .  I saw the Blob Icon and assumed it was Excal, (as he used to use that icon . . .)

Apologies Mammon.
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2004, 12:47:12 PM »

Sorry. . .  I saw the Blob Icon and assumed it was Excal, (as he used to use that icon . . .)

Apologies Mammon.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2004, 06:25:30 PM »

Opens a gateway and enters. With a brisk pace Lord Vandal approaches Mammon and cleanly severes his head. Lord Vandal then solemnly returns from the distant realm of which he came, taking the head of Mammon with him.
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2004, 06:53:42 PM »

Opens a gateway and enters. With a brisk pace Lord Vandal approaches Mammon and cleanly severes his head. Lord Vandal then solemnly returns from the distant realm of which he came, taking the head of Mammon with him.

What the heck does that have to do with anything? Unless you are the Admin that he spoke of...

If that may be the case, you are a very naughty person, and should be punished for such devious actions...

If that is not the case, then what the heck was that for?
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2004, 10:08:40 PM »

Well this person is known to be more full of shit than a bull after he eats and since he slimes his way around the forums here trying to get someone to teach him how to code, it's awfully funny to watch him complain here that he's had stuff ripped off when the person he is working with is likely ripping from the site we both play, as does the person he is in cahoots with to try and bring up a new server.

But it was fun none the less. Going to send him a link soon just so I can laugh at what the look on his face is like if he gets to read it.

Anyway, the bottom line is the person he is speaking of is really the person he is more likely to be attempting to steal code from. Just so you could be aware.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2004, 10:50:53 PM »

And if you registered perhaps we would trust you oh mighty slayer of the unknown and innocent untill proven otherwise.

Also I think it is in violation that you have used such language on the boards.    

And now I shall return to searching for a Race Module so that I may understand the races and how they work in this newfangled .98pre11
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2004, 01:29:07 AM »

We don't actually have any specific rules about language on the boards, although there are indeed limits to what I'll tolerate.  This thread of anonymous accusations is quickly becoming something that I won't tolerate.
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