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16  Game Administration, Installation and Configuration / Installation and Configuration Assistance / Re: Test Server on: September 11, 2017, 01:53:39 PM
That was what I thought, that phpBB was a bulletin board.
As to Google, not much help in determining where I find out what version of PHP I am running.

I give up I will just call my damn hosting company and ask them.

I can't find it.

There ARE people that Google does not help much.  I am NOT a webinar sort of person, I learn by being SHOWN and then by DOING.
All the manuals and webinars in the world won't teach me squat.  Not all of us are geared to learn things the same way, just sayin.

Attacking people who are telling you how to do it, that's not going to help you. Especially when someone told you how to run one function to find out what you want.

I mean no offense by this, but if you can't do this, then why are you? If you can't learn it, especially when you have been shown...?

First, I am not attacking.  I am simply explaining the way I learn things.
Second, I have NOT been shown.  Because I do not see.  Please point to where I was SHOWN.
Third, I guess you were just born knowing how to do this stuff, lucky you.  I was not.  I am TRYING to learn.  Which is why I am trying to tell people HOW I learn, so that I am actually helped for real.
Fourth, I have never meant any attack, or any offense, so if any has been taken by anyone I apologize.  Tone does not convey well in type.

I am telling you I looked in the C-Panel, and I see nowhere to find the information I want.  I just plain don't.  So I guess that makes me stupid.
I personally am feeling very attacked by you, at the moment, Aeolus.  I was getting some kind assistance, though not quite what I needed yet.
Please leave this to those who will be kind, okay?
At your request, I got off your thread.  I now make the same request of you...and in a much kinder manner than you made the same request of me.
Please honor the request and let folks who are being kind assist me, thanks.
17  Game Administration, Installation and Configuration / Installation and Configuration Assistance / Re: Test Server on: September 10, 2017, 03:42:06 PM
...and it had phpBB in there but I don't think that is what I want....

phpBB is a bulletin board

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I am clueless, clueless, clueless as to how to find this information...I have NO IDEA what version of PHP my server runs, i never had any reason to need to know before.

Google is clueFULL.  Are you making use of it?

https://www.google.ca/search?dcr=0&source=hp&q=how+to+find+out+what+version+of+php+my+server+is+running&oq=how+to+find+out+what+version+of+php+my+server+is+running&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.527.8738.0.8901.57.56.0.0.0.0.185.5715.33j22.55.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..2.54.5516.0..0i131k1j0i22i30k1.1w5CTd3W2uo

That was what I thought, that phpBB was a bulletin board.
As to Google, not much help in determining where I find out what version of PHP I am running.

I give up I will just call my damn hosting company and ask them.

I can't find it.

There ARE people that Google does not help much.  I am NOT a webinar sort of person, I learn by being SHOWN and then by DOING.
All the manuals and webinars in the world won't teach me squat.  Not all of us are geared to learn things the same way, just sayin.
18  Game Administration, Installation and Configuration / Installation and Configuration Assistance / Re: Test Server on: September 09, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
It is possibly under your "Software and Services" section in your Cpanel. It might be named differently, but there are a few sections under that category such as...
Cachewall
Select PHP Version
SiteBuilder
Softalicious

At least that's what I've seen generally where it is located over the years.

I can look.
 was clicking various things on my C-Panel and not getting what i needed before I posted my last...

Nope not seeing anything that helps.  Seriously.  i am clueless on this one.

I found softalucious, whatever...and it had phpBB in there but I don't think that is what I want....
I am clueless, clueless, clueless as to how to find this information...I have NO IDEA what version of PHP my server runs, i never had any reason to need to know before.

Laugh if you all want to.
19  Game Administration, Installation and Configuration / Installation and Configuration Assistance / Re: Test Server on: September 08, 2017, 10:17:06 PM
Yeah, somewhere in C-Panel there'll be a page that shows you the versions. Smiley

Damned if I see where...
20  Game Administration, Installation and Configuration / Installation and Configuration Assistance / Re: Test Server on: September 07, 2017, 08:44:44 PM
You need to find out what versions of php and (my?)sql you're currently using as your test server should be as near a mirror image as possible.

I recommend installing apache server on your home PC and the installation files for php/sql. And phpMyAdmin, you can use the latest version I think. But if you can find a free host with the same versions then that's probably just as good. Smiley

OK, so is there a way to find out from my server company what versions, or can I get that info off my C-Panel or what...I really am not all that sure.  The site was originally set up for me by someone who knows a lot more than I do about that end of things.  I have learned (self-taught) to do PHP coding, and to work with MySQL by way of PHPMyAdmin, and so on.  But I do not know a whole lot about setting up the front end.

I'm working within a framework someone else built for me is what i am getting at.  I did do the upgrade from 1.0.6 to 1.1.0 on my own, but that is still back-end work and not front-end, setting up the framework, which I never have done before...so please forgive me if my questions seem really stupid.

I just know the stuff I know and never really learned the stuff I did not need to know because someone else had set that up.  Maybe it is about time I learn this, but I need some help to do that.  None f us are born knowing how to do this stuff...and all the manuals and stuff you can find online...they might as well be written in Greek, I think they make it more complicated than it needs to be.

So, whoever is willing to hold my hand a bit and walk me through this so I can learn by doing, that is great.  Because that IS how I learn.  Manuals, classes, webinars...they don't help.  I'm not one who earns that way...i learn y doing. 

My first ever modules are the Valhalla Ten Pack (which I did under my original name and not under TGTarheel)  -and to do those, I did what I always do to learn things....I reverse-engineered something that already worked....pulled it apart to see how it worked, and then put it back together the way i wanted it to work...and by doing, learned how to code myself, and now I code my own modules from scratch and have many unique modules.  The most recent I shared public was Miyagi's Topiary, which even that was a re-engineering of Red Yates' pumpkin module, but I added stuff in that was all my own.

Other stuff I have programmed completely from scratch.  But it is all still back-end and not front-end.  So now I need to learn the front end and I could use a bit of help...and I apologize for being very wordy here.
21  Game Administration, Installation and Configuration / Installation and Configuration Assistance / Re: Test Server on: September 06, 2017, 06:54:21 PM
Could anyone actually help me with doing a test server???  I am absolutely clueless as to how to do this.

Absolutely! It's fine if you do not know what to do. Just remember that your learning experience is also someone else's learning experience in the future. If someone googles "How to host a LotGD", they will stumble upon this. Gotta look at it positively.

First thing to ask is if you are going to host locally on your own personal machine, that only you can access, or would you want to host a public test server? If you are going to host a public test server, what kind of hosting do you have now for your live server; is it on a VPS, or just a shared host? If you are going to host it privately, then we need to know what type of operating system you have. Also, for any type of hosting,which version of PHP are you going to run? PHP 7 runs LotGD a lot faster, but the current DragonPrime stable version has issues with PHP 7. PHP 5.4 is just fine, but you will miss out on new features, and you will receive less help from the PHP community as a whole.

I run Windows 10.
On my public live server, it is a shared host?  I don't have the money for VPS.

I need to run as low a version of PHP as I can that is the most likely to also work with all the old stuff I have,that also would work with LOtGD.

That help for starters?

By the way, I have done a lot of core edits...not sure if that matters for what we are talking about.  My pageparts.php looks NOTHING like core anymore, and I also have banks and stables in the dead cities (I use both Valhalla and The Underworld) and I have mounts available ONLY in the dead towns.

Stuff like that makes my site very unique and that is why I am very reluctant to upgrade, because I need to keep this stuff that I worked very hard on...stuff that makes my site unique and sets it apart from other sites.
22  Game Administration, Installation and Configuration / Installation and Configuration Assistance / Test Server on: September 05, 2017, 11:30:31 PM
Could anyone actually help me with doing a test server???  I am absolutely clueless as to how to do this.
23  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Modules for version 1.x.x / Re: File Discussion: Multi Poke on: September 05, 2017, 05:21:05 PM
Due we are off topic already anyway...

If you see it from the eyes of others here TGT the first thing you ask on many - old and dusty - threads here was if they were compatible to 1.1.0 and of cause people react with "I don't care". Just as you did with your modules they invested their time, in some cases a lot of time, into their modules and it's not of their interest to check for backwards compatibility.
Taken you had to contact some sort of support one of the first thing you hear will be "Is your system up to date? Are your drivers up to date?". You should not be offended that it's the same here, because I don't think people are mocking you, but they tell you that if you want help that your should get your system to the current state first.

As for the test server. There's a lot of software you can use for that. For example XAMPP to set up a (L)AMP Stack on your local machine. You should in any case NEVER develop and test on your live server, but like this you can have as many Databases and LogD environments as you want and you can easily check if your stuff is working on the lastest version or what must be changed and altered to work and see what effort would be required.

TBH I do not even know what all that is.  I know enough about code to be dangerous.  At any rate, my attitude is that JUST BECAUSE it is "new and shiny" does not make it better.

I know a very large server, much larger than mine...that is running 1.1.0

It isn't the "I don't care" that is bothering me.  It is the treating of me as if I were some subhuman piece of crap because I don't want to risk breaking hundreds of hours of work to do an upgrade.

There ARE people out there that DO NOT LIKE upgrades being forced on them.  I am one of those people.

I don't mean to belabor the point, but has anyone ever considered that there is a matter of approach?  Instead of tresaating me like a subhuman pieece of crap for being resistant to and afraid of change...maybe instead offer to HELP me to do a change...maybe I might be more receptive to an approach like that...which was in fact never tried, I just got crucified, attacked and vilified because I DO NOT LIKE CHANGE.  I do NOT like updates.  EVERY TIME my computer at home updates, I inevitably find something that had been working JUST FINE before...screwed up...and I do not like it.

I do not like updates Sam I Am, LOL
24  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Forest, Village and Travel Events for Version 1.x.x / Re: Abigail The Street Hawker Is Narrow-Minded - I Fixed This... on: September 04, 2017, 10:49:49 PM
Update,
I was temporarily able to fix the problem...but then, the problem happened again.

Taking out Lonny's Who's Here module solves the problem.

It seems my version of Abigail will not play nice with the Who's Here module, not sure why.

Being as such, for now, i took out Who's Here...as it is more important for me to be inclusive of same gender marriages, and transender people.

I could upload the absolute latest of my abigal module here and if anyone sees a problem causing the conflict with Lonny's module....great, i could try something...but if I gotta choose between same-gender marriage/transgender confirmation and Lonny's module, i know where I land.
25  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Modules for version 1.x.x / Re: File Discussion: Multi Poke on: September 04, 2017, 09:14:39 PM
Then respect our decision to not downgrade our modules for your outdated site. Respect your player's right to deserve to be on a secure site. And respect the fact that when your site breaks, and it will, we won't be here to help you fix it - you were warned.

Given that none of this now relates to my module, that is all that is needed from you on here. Thank you.

I will worry about my players.  They have remained loyal to my site.
I am NOT going to risk breaking hundreds of hours of work just to make you happy.  Quit trying to force things on people.  I never once told you to downgrade this module or any other module for me.  POINT TO WHERE I HAVE.  You can't, because I haven't.  I only asked if it would work.  As it turns out, it does.
You can disagree with me RESPECTFULLY.  You have failed to do that, you have had nothing but disrespect for me and for all the work I have done which could potentially break with a core update.

When 1.1.0 was brand new, everyone thought it was the greatest and I gave in and upgraded from my original 1.0.6 - and that was when there was far less original work on my site than there is now.  I am NOT willing to risk my work, now hundreds of hours...to be trashed, just because you have now decided that what you once touted as great is now disfavored by you.

If you CANNOT guarantee me...that everything I have ALREADY WORKED ON...will not continue to work with an upgrade, stop bothering me about upgrading and stop looking down on me and dissing me because I am not willing to risk losing hundreds of hours of hard work!!

For WHAT??
A little extra "security" - which will be broken by hackers in no time flat if they wanted to...it always is that way.  You now think 1.1.2 is all that and as soon as they come out with 1.1.3 if they ever do, you will be trashing 1.1.2 which today is SO GREAT.  You and I both know it.

Done here.

P.S. Here is the thing....there is, as far as I know...no way to DOWNGRADE after the fact if the upgrade breaks things.  And therein lies the problem.  You are basically asking me to do something that CANNOT BE UNDONE and which may break what actually WORKS.  I dunno about you, but I was always taught...IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT

All I am asking here is that you disagree with me respectfully and do not sneer at me and treat me like crap because I disagree.  Sheesh.
26  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Modules for version 1.x.x / Re: File Discussion: Multi Poke on: September 04, 2017, 03:28:54 PM
Test Server - if you don't have one, set one up.  Then you can test things like whether a module works in your version of the game.  Or whether the updated version of the game works with your modules.  You don't want to test the unknowns on your live server, and nobody else here can tell you whether these modules will work on your setup or with changes.

Version - It's your choice not to run the latest code release however you also deny your users and your servers any benefits of improved security (and yes, there were some critical fixes between 1.1.0 and 1.1.2) and system performance improvements - again, there were significant changes which make a big difference on the server end of things.  However do not expect people here to be willing to reverse engineer modules to work in earlier versions.  If you want to know whether a module will work on your version or otherwise, see Test Server.  If you want a module to work on your version, get coding!

You may notice in many programs and applications that updated versions are sometimes not able to maintain compatibility with earlier programming.  That's the nature of the beast.  Don't hold your breath waiting for version 1.1.3 or that it would be completely backwards compatible.  

I understand all this.  I just wish people would quit harping on me as if I am some gargoyle because I prefer to use WHAT I ALREADY KNOW WORKS.
I do not have a test server and do not know how to get one.
I code most of my own modules anymore, anyway.

But that's just the thing...i update my core and all the work I have done on my own unique modules could be wasted as they then might not work with the new core.

I am JUST not seeing enough advantages toi outweigh the possible risks.  And that is I am a choice I am making...please, people do not disrespect me or treat me like crap because I don't want to risk breaking a ton of work.

Whether or not it is the INTENT of people posting here...I FEEL very much like I am being attacked and trashed...because I choose the work I have done over the "latest greatest whatever"

Do you not understand some people are AFRAID of new things...especially when they do not see why the old ones...which were SO GREAT when they came out...are now being trashed??

I bet if they came up it a 1.1.3 - these same people would start trashing the 1.1.2 that they now think is so great...that is all I am saying here.

Respect MY CHOICE...to not upgrade and do not trash me or treat me like crap for it.  Respect that I have REASONS I don't wish to upgrade.  You might not agree with them and you don't have to...but you can do so RESPECTFULLY thanks.  (That last was not directed at you, Talisman - the people who it is directed at probably know who they are)
27  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Modules for version 1.x.x / Re: File Discussion: Multi Poke on: September 04, 2017, 12:26:27 AM
Like I said...no Item System...complete deal-breaker.

1) Item System, or 2) required bug fixes and better security measures... I know what I would want for my players. I hope that you're going to let your players know about your choice as well.

Without the Item System, my entire game is shot.  Others run 1.1.0 and Central even runs 1.0.6 so gimme a break, okay??

Security against WHAT??  Even so, no sooner that new "security" stuff is done hackers find a way to break it, so I seriously doybt even 1.1.2 is all that bloody "secure"

Central runs 1.0.6 because there is no affiliation with DragonPrime. It's old, dead code, online for the sake of being online. Anyone who has 1.1.0 is not up-to-date and probably is doing the same - just being online to be online, without updating their servers. There is a bug in 1.1.0 where anyone can set ANY module preference to ANY value they want. Anyone with the creature editor has access to everything on the server. Upgrading is key. Upgrade the items system, don't downgrade a version for legacy modules. 1.1.2 and further revisions are much more secure.

It is my understanding that the Item System does not work past 1.1.0

Nobody on my site except me even has Grotto access at all.  I just am not sure where there is any danger to my players under my current setup.  I might should have specified that i am the only person with Grotto access on my server.

And I am not online just to be online, I have undertaken coding brand-new modules very recently, actually.  I just don't want any of the hard work I have done to get broken by new code.
28  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Modules for version 1.x.x / Re: File Discussion: Multi Poke on: September 03, 2017, 08:40:23 AM
Like I said...no Item System...complete deal-breaker.

1) Item System, or 2) required bug fixes and better security measures... I know what I would want for my players. I hope that you're going to let your players know about your choice as well.

Without the Item System, my entire game is shot.  Others run 1.1.0 and Central even runs 1.0.6 so gimme a break, okay??

Security against WHAT??  Even so, no sooner that new "security" stuff is done hackers find a way to break it, so I seriously doybt even 1.1.2 is all that bloody "secure"
29  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Modules for version 1.x.x / Re: File Discussion: Multi Poke on: September 02, 2017, 03:01:30 PM
So does this module like, completely work now?

Can I plug and play it into my 1.1.0 server?

I know, I know...a lot of people here hate older versions of the core but I don't.

I have no intention of making it compatible with an older server of the core. It's not that I "hate" the older versions, it's that I have no interest is supporting versions without bug fixes and with security flaws that put players as risk.

Best you can do is just try it on a test server and see if it works.

I did it and it works on 1.1.0
And I have no intention of updating my core to a later version that does not support certain things I need supported.
FWIW:  When the core gets updated, they should MAKE SURE the new core is compatible with everything that came before...if they want people to update.
Core past 1.1.0 does not support Alternate Currencies and my game is dependent on them...without them, my game would not be the game it is and I would have to modify 90 percent of my game.  Not gonna do it.

I don't even know if later version of the core support the Item System, and that, right there, would be a huge deal-breaker.

Quite hard to do if you are going to update the core to current standards, like following the PSR.

Like I said...no Item System...complete deal-breaker.
30  Modules, Themes and other customizations for your game / Completed Modules for version 1.x.x / Re: File Discussion: Multi Poke on: September 02, 2017, 08:11:50 AM
So does this module like, completely work now?

Can I plug and play it into my 1.1.0 server?

I know, I know...a lot of people here hate older versions of the core but I don't.

I have no intention of making it compatible with an older server of the core. It's not that I "hate" the older versions, it's that I have no interest is supporting versions without bug fixes and with security flaws that put players as risk.

Best you can do is just try it on a test server and see if it works.

I did it and it works on 1.1.0
And I have no intention of updating my core to a later version that does not support certain things I need supported.
FWIW:  When the core gets updated, they should MAKE SURE the new core is compatible with everything that came before...if they want people to update.
Core past 1.1.0 does not support Alternate Currencies and my game is dependent on them...without them, my game would not be the game it is and I would have to modify 90 percent of my game.  Not gonna do it.

I don't even know if later version of the core support the Item System, and that, right there, would be a huge deal-breaker.
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